|We certainly didnt complain about|
"Peripheral Vascular Disease" those days
|"Everything you could think of"|
(* Gill pronounced Jill is a measure of ale between a quarter of a pint, or a third of a pint and as in our case was a half pint measure)
Haslingden derives from Hazeldean or Valley of the Hazels. It lies 19 miles north of Manchester in the County of Lancashire. A area at one time noted in particular for its Stone, it also played a big part in the Woollen and then later Cotton Industries from the 18th and through the 19th and early to mid 20th Century... It is steeped in Local History and can also boast to have one of the most beautiful Natural Valleys around, where thousands come and visit annually
|We certainly didnt complain about|
"Peripheral Vascular Disease" those days
|"Everything you could think of"|
|St. Mary's RC Peace Procession - September 6th 1919 - Showing the procession at Vale Street|
|Bobs shop now a private dwelling|
|The Mural was something like this|
|A token which would be necessary to board the tram|
|This is my sketch of the late "Carter Place Hall". I remember it well from when I lived up Hud Hey. Click over illustration to enlarge.|
Some very early historic accounts
Checking out some of the "early day" history of Carter Place, its quite obvious there were dwellings on this land (estate) prior to the main hall being built. I can now refer to this historic information given here by the late Thomas Woodcock in his corrigendum to the Short Account of Haslingden Parish Church.
"It is not correct to say that Carter-place is a corruption of chantry-place or the mansion of the chantry. Carter-place (not the modern property but a much larger area) was in 1424-5 the property of Thomas Carter, who in that year transferred it to his son Henry le Carter. In 1507 William Carter, Richard Carter, Nicholas Durdon and Richard Durden gave the Carter-place estate to John Holden (clerk) and others and this was obviously the endowment of the chantry, which existed in the chapel for a few years until Henry VIII dissolved the chantries and seized their property. Carterplace however takes its name from the family which owned it not from its having been chantry property".
(Moving on the following undermentioned historic accounts have been documented and so kindly offered to me by Annie Taylor who is currently researching Carter Place and the general area of Acre. "Thanks Annie". And if anyone has any further information on Acre or Carter Place they would like to offer Annie, just let me know and I will gladly pass it on to her)
The historic naming has always been Carterplace and in some documents it is spelt Carter Place. The name derived from the Carter family who owned the land during the reign of Henry VII, and the Carter's along with the Dearden family who owned adjacent land at Dearden Place (Hud Hey) donated the land to the King for the use of the Church at Whalley. This then became the home of at least one of two chantry priests until Henry VII's son Henry VIII started the reformation and seized all lands owned by the Church. Later Carterplace sold into private hands.
Which Chadwick's owned the copyhold estate of Carterplace?
1) Ellis Chadwick of Wolstenholme and Great Grandfather of Sir Andrew Chadwick bought Carterplace and was admitted in 1580 which was the 22nd year of Queen Elizabeth's reign.
2) in 1603 Ellis Chadwick's son and heir at law Robert Chadwick of Spotland was admitted.
3) Another Ellis Chadwick who was son and heir at law of Robert was admitted on 8th October 1684, he is Sir Andrew's father and court rolls record him as living in Dublin.
4) Sir Andrew was admitted to Carterplace on 11th October 1726, though he married had no children and upon his death Carterplace was claimed by his first cousin Sarah Law.
5) Sarah Law (nee Chadwick) admitted on 31st May 1768, on this same day she promptly surrendered the whole of Carterplace to her son-in-law John Taylor, a blacksmith of Bacup "for the better promotion advancement and preferment of her said son in law and his family in the World".
Please note the old painting above right (click over to enlarge) which is currently in the Rossendale Museum and it shows Carterplace painted in 1790 from oil on canvas. This was the original Carterplace hall which was built in 1769 and then later extended during the nineteenth century when it was the home of the Turner Family. (photo: Courtesy of Rossendale Museum)
Sir Andrew Chadwick
During Sir Andrew Chadwick's lifetime Carterplace was a farm estate and consisted of the following:
1) Two dwelling houses; likely to be what are now called Carterplace Cottage which was the original farm/manor house and the attached Chantry Cottage. There is some debate around whether these buildings were built by Sir Andrew or if they already existed and were modernised during his ownership.
2) Three barns
3) One kiln containing twelve bays of building and other the buildings to the same belonging.
And parcels of land called:
* The Chadwick Croft
* The Holme Meadow
* The Acre Meadow (possibly the origin of Acre village name?)
* The Wood
* The Shutts
* The Two Cross Fields
* The Kiln Meadow
* The Ryall Meadow
* The Adam Hill
* The Low most Meadow
* The Backside.
In addition near to Carterplace but not at Carterplace there was also two acres of common situate upon the High Moor and also other two acres of common lying near to Fryer Hill.
Sir Andrew Chadwick appears to have never actually lived at Carterplace and certainly never lived at Carterplace Hall as it was not built until after his death. During Sir Andrew's lifetime Carterplace appears to have been occupied by some of his relatives including a Benjamin Chadwick, and also to Sarah Law (nee Chadwick and Sir Andrew's Cousin).
The Sir Andrew Chadwick (knight) "coat of arms" which was identified at the "apex" of the grand building (see photo) and also that same "coat of arms" displayed on the nearby Carter Place Cottage. It is documented that Sir Andrew Chadwick never lived at the hall, there is evidence of him probably growing up in Dublin and later moving to London where he spent the rest of his life. He owned Poland Street and also Golden Square in what is now Soho. He died in St James Westminster. He and his wife are buried at St. Mary Le Bow Church in Marylebone, London.
Records show him having visited Lancashire on one occasion which was 22nd November 1726 and at the time of his admittance to Carter Place.
Look up "Chadwick Millions" as he was a very wealthy man and had mills in Haslingden, and also owned a brewery/pub in Westerminster London SW1. It is said that when he died his will was falsified and the solicitors at the time seemed to disappear with a lot of the money, so we are told!
John Taylor after gaining Carterplace from his mum in law (Sarah Law), starts to call himself John Taylor Esquire and sets about buying new land and building the georgian Great House (Carterplace Hall), a farm called Farmer Barn (now Carterplace Farm) and Carterplace Lodge. These buildings formed part of the Carter Place estate.
John Taylor Esquire surrenders everything to trustees on 13th July 1792, and his son John Taylor inherits. He in turn sells Carterplace to James Turner.
Turner's - James Turner admitted on 20th October 1807, this did not include any of the extra land and buildings that John Taylor had purchased, just Carterplace. Martha Turner admitted on 18th April 1853.
Nicholas Worsley purchased Carterplace in 1907. In 1912 the next owners were his son Tom (see photo on left) and his wife Evelyn. In 1923 Tom dies aged 39. (Obituary: We much regret to record the death of Mr. Tom Worsley on April 8th, aged 39. Mr. Worsley resided at Carter Place Hall, Haslingden, Lancashire, where he had formed an excellent collection of Orchids, the principal feature of which was a fine seclection of over a thousand choice Cypripediums - The Orchid Review)
In 1929 his wife Evelyn puts Carterplace on the market and the estate appears at this point in time to have been separated into individual lots and offered for auction.
|A snow scene from around 1915|
(Please click over to enlarge)
|The Carter Place Lodge snow scene |
(Please click over to enlarge)
|A closer look at the Carter Place Lodge|
(gatehouse - click over to enlarge)
|The main doorway is all thats|
left now of the Carter Place Hall
Looking from Carter Place towards Haslingden.
At least 15 large smoking chimneys (very old photo)
|Another nice photo outside of the Carter Place Hall, Who is that on the horse?|
and look at them Lions! (Photo kindly supplied by Joyce Thorne)
|Mr. Hindle - John's Grandfather and the last owner of Carter Place|
|John Hindle sat on one of the Lions in 1953|
|Carter Place Lodge (please click over to enlarge).|
|A lovely photo of Carter Place sent in by Jackie Ramsbottom (Click over to enlarge)|
|A garden party held at Carter Place Hall (no further information)|
|Carter Place from the Lake (kindly supplied by Keith Burton)|
Filming of "Hard Times" at Carterplace in 1977 (Click over to enlarge)
Kindly shared to us by Chris KirbyAdd caption
|Filming of "Hard Times" at Carterplace in 1977 (Click over to enlarge)|
Kindly shared to us by Chris Kirby
Michael Hogan ex pat South of France - 26th Feb 2016
I really enjoy the Haslingden blogspot. It is certainly the most interesting town website that I have ever seen.
Kind regards, Mike Hogan
(26th March 2013) A email request for information on "The Boys Home" is made by Jane Thynne. To see email please click here.
(25th March 2013) Lynda Batty (ex pat from Olney in Buckinghamshire) has kindly sent in the 1956 or 1957, and the 1961 student photographs for the Haslingden County Primary School. Please Click here and then scroll down the blog to the desired date.
(25th March 2013) Peter Hoyle has kindly sent in the 1954 Student photograph from Haslingden St. James C of E School. Also some of the names have been listed but there are still some gaps. Please Click Here to go to blog then scroll down to 1954.
(20th March 2013) Even more names now added to the 1969 HGS photo by Ian Edmundson and Jackie Ramsbottom. PleaseClick Here to blog and scroll down to 1969
(19th March 2013) Alison May (nee Heywood) has kindly sent in a scan of the more recent HGS Cap Badge. Click Here to blogand scroll down a little.
(19th March 2013) Even more names added to 1969 HGS photo by Ian Edmundson. Click Here to go to blog and scroll down to 1969.
(18th March 2013) More names have been added to the 1969 HGS photo, kindly offered by Alison May (nee Heywood) and also more by Ian Edmundson. To check more complete listClick Here to go to blog and then scroll down to 1969.
(17th March 2013) HASLINGDEN OLD AND NEW BLOG would love to make a request to anyone attending the "Local History Day" at the Haslingden Cricket Club next Sunday, and maybe could help with old school photographs etc., that they may wish to bring them along to the event and I will take a copy of them whilst they are present, which would help enormously for future inclusion within the school blog photos. Also any other photos or information which they would like to include within the blog would be most welcome.
(16th March 2013) Two lovely old photographs, one of Deardengate and another of a very old student photo from the old Haslingden Wesleyan Methodist Day School. These were kindly sent in by Alison May (nee Heywood) ex pat from Nottingham. Alison has also sent in photos of memorabilia, eg: programmes for Trinity Baptist and adverts etc etc. these will soon be uploaded to the "Document" files. To check the photos please look across the page beneath the advert for the forthcoming Haslingden Local History Day.
(16th March 2013) Adrian Bury (ex pat currently residing in Hungary) has so kindly sent in a full school student photo for May 1969 for the Haslingden Grammar School. This widescreen photo has been broken up into four separate photos for ease of viewing. He has also offered quite a lot of names for teachers and students, but if you can add to these please let me know by emailing me at firstname.lastname@example.org To check out the photos Click Here, then scroll down to the 1969 date near the bottom of the blog.
(13th March 2013) Adrian Bury has so kindly sent in three student photos from Haslingden St. James for the years 1960,1962 and 1965 and a Haslingden Grammar School photo to follow. (Please click here and scroll down to the desired date) - some names of students have been added below the photos, but if you can fill in any of the missing gaps - please let us know by emailing me at email@example.com
(7th March 2013) Carol Scott has sent a email and notes about her brass modelled MKIII Tank, and she has noted that there are conflicking dates etc. Please check out her mail and photos by Clicking here and then scroll to the bottom of the blog.
(3rd March 2013) Clifford Hargreaves has kindly sent in two photos and a flyer, which show "The Old School Mews", which are the new buildings built on the original site of the old Technical School (later the Haslingden Grammar School). Check out the Haslingden Grammar School Blog and go to the end or click here and then scroll to the end of the blog.
(26th February 2013) Christine Bailye (daughter of Margaret Newey, nee Tattersall) has just sent a email enquiring on details of J.H. Birtwistle factory and the Tattersall family etc. Please check her letter under filed under the Emails and Snippetts.
Please check under emails and snippetts by clicking here - 2nd email down
(23rd February 2013) Chris Aspin has kindly informed me that there will be another Local History Day at Haslingden Cricket Club on Sunday March 24th (11am - 4pm). Groups from Helmshore, Rawtenstall, Ramsbottom, Holcombe and Whitworth will be putting on displays. Second-hand bookstall, food/drink, easy parking. Free Admission. Highlight of Helmshore Local History Society's display will be a map of 1575 with coloured pictures of St. James's Church and a cross. Never seen before.
(24th January 2013) Bryan Gudgeon has been kind enough to identify three of the missing names on the 1948-49 Haslingden St. James C of E School photo. There are still a couple missing, and Bryan thinks that they were possibly refugees .
(21st January 2013) Thanks to Arthur Keown (ex pat from Devon who has kindly sent in this fabulous Haslingden Grammar School photo from May 1947.
(8th January 2013) More WW1 Soldiers have been added to the War Blog today and still more to come. Jackie informs me she is getting great support on this, and still welcomes as much information as possible eg: text, newspaper cuttings, photos, details of memorials etc etc. Thanks to all who have kindly offered help.
(2nd January 2013) Happy New Year to everyone.Some great feedback now added by David Desforges (see below).
To check out his mail Click Here.
(11th December 2012) Dave Roughley has contacted me requesting information on Haslingden FC 1907-8 season, especially in regards to the ground where they played. To check out his request email please click here, and obviously any help for his project would be very welcome.
Just click here to check out site. When deleted from here "Just added" snippetts are filed below - Check out "Just added or about to" HISTORIES below
(30th November 2012) Just added a new blog for "Haslingden County Primary School Student Photos" also requesting help with the naming of the Teachers and Students c1952/1953 period. Check out by clicking here
(30th November 2012) Dave Rothwell has now added two more photos and further text showing 1) Rossendale Motor Club Outing (with a very young Dave)c1959 and also the Rossendale Enduro from c1960. His dad Leslie played a big part in both organizations. Click here and scroll down to the Rothwell's.
(30th November 2012) In response to Dave Rothwell's request for a photo of the original Cordingley's Car Showroom, Jackie Ramsbottom has kindly sent in a photo, also in response Clifford Hargreaves has kindly sent in a original advert for the Old firm. Please click here and scroll down to check them out.
(29th November 2012) Dave Rothwell has kindly sent in some photographs of the recent demolition of the Cordingley's old building which was the Bed Centre or later The Pine Centre for parts of the last twenty years. He is currently looking for a old photograph showing it when it was the original Cordingley's Car Showrooms, can anyone help? To check out the demolition photos please click here and scroll.
(29th November 2012) Dave Rothwell has kindly sent in a photo showing his dad serving in the shop together with a brilliant story of when his dad built a special "balsa aeroplane" to take part in a competition, but disaster struck, yet with a happy ending, so click here and scroll down to read on
(26th November 2012) Eddie Sheppard has just made a request for further history on Bentley House, Grane, and also information of its former residents and if possible more information on one of his wife's ancestors who was born there. To check out his mail please click here
(22nd November 2012) Can we help Lee along with his other students with his St. Peters Church Project creating information boards about the Church its history etc. Check out his email Please click here
(18th November 2012) A request for information and/or photos of our brave Haslingden and Helmshore Soldiers who lost their lives in either World War 1 or World War 11. This request is to help with a new blog being started to give a comprehensive and permanent record for future generations. The blog is being researched by Jackie Ramsbottom and compiled by Bryan Yorke. If you have any information will you kindly send it through to Jackie. You will find her email address within the "introduction request information blog here".
(14th November 2012) from Ann Whittaker J.P. has sent in some information on her grandad Mr. Gilmartin and the painters and decorators shop he had on Regent Street. She is requesting any further information and is also requesting for a more full on photo of the Regent Street Shops, if anyone can help. Please click here to check out her mail.
(14th November 2012) Ann Whittaker J.P. has kindly sent in some ancestral information of the Riley family, to hopefully help in the request made by Keith Riley on 9th Nov 2012.Please click here and scroll down to 8th November.
(9th November 2012) I have put a small blog on requesting any information on the "Bury Road School" of which there is a photo going back all the way to c1877. It was Keith Riley's search for his Assistant Headmaster relation which triggered me into looking at these old photos. Check out blog here.
(8th November 2012) Keith Riley from Ontario, Canada is researching is family connections and is requesting any help. Please check out his mail by clicking here. If you can help either contact him direct at the email supplied or alternatively contact me with any information. Thanks.
(7th November 2012) Received a mail from Mike Hogan in France in regards to Michael Grieco. To check out blog pleaseclick here and scroll down to (7th November 2012)
(6th November 2012) Started a new blog called "Manchester Road Shops". Now got the outline going, but lots more to come with this blog eg: text, photos, adverts etc. Thanks also to Clifford Hargreaves for sending in adverts relating to some of the shops. Click here to check out blog.(4th November 2012) Tomorrow is bonfire night and so I have done a little sketch and poem relating to our old bonfires which we used to have at Martin Croft (off Hud Hey) Them were the days!
(1st November 2012) Just done a little blog on "Haslingden's Original Chip Shops" Click Here to Check it out If you can add any information please feel free to let me know. Its great to include a newspaper clipping kindly given to me by Jackie Ramsbottom which shows Taylors Chip Shop and also Barnes's shop next door. Also now added a further four shops with information kindly given by Ray Ramsbottom, John Bedford and David Johnson. Constantly updating this blog eg: What is a mixture?
(31st October 2012) Martin Molloy has kindly sent in a email kindly offering information as to where Anne Grieco's parents chippy was at top of Prinny Hill near Bramwells Fish Shop. Click here to read mail. and scroll down a little.
(31st October 2012) Happy Halloween! and if tha fancies a smile or a laugh, just look at this owd chap doing his bit about Rag and Bone fellas. Well its nowt to do with Halloween, but plenty scary especially at the end, Click Here and watch if you dare! and should you require more check this out about the Shebbies (Starlings) by clicking here.
(29th October 2012) Anne Southon (nee Grieco) ex pat from Australia is requesting a photo of the chippy which her parents used to own which was on Blackburn Road. Please click here to see her mail.
(25th October 2012) Jeff Stevens sent this mail. In regards to the Haslingden Bomb Holes, which can be seen filed under Blitz and Bomb Damage. Please click here to see blog and scroll down.
(25th October 2012) John Sumner can now confirm that the photograph of the houses which used to be near sizehouse and by the side of the Haslingden Grane Mill are definately "Lonsdale Buildings". He only wishes he had a photograph of the rest of that row.
(25th October 2012) John McGuire has sent in this information request and would be grateful for any further information on Haslingden's first "slum clearance". Please Click here to check out his email.
(25th October 2012) Here is a fabulous piece about the "Tipper Toilet" or the Tippler Toilet. Thanks to Shiela Bell (Nee Waller). Added to the "Tiddles down Tippler Blog".
(16th October 2012) Joan Merrill (nee Mead) has sent a snippett - with thanks to Carol for photo and some good stuff about her childhood days and also the maypole in Carrs Click here and scroll down to 16th October (just below Carols photo).